Damned shame with his size he could not learn to be a big hitter. I am 58 but I can still hit the ball out there with some pretty good players. Like you said he was a great champion but when I was introduced to golf at age ten, we weren’t told to hold back anything, kind of like a Bubba Watson or Jack Nicklaus type attitude.
Nicklaus as well. Or did you mention him and I missed it? He and Grout were adamant about it.
actually after closer inspection nicks head movement is almost identical to all those players i just mentioned……wayne i think you may have just had your very own johnny miller moment 😛
and by eyes still on the ball, i obviously mean still basically looking at the spot the ball was sitting in at address, even in your anthony kim analysis as you say his head turns right has he hits the ball, it does not. the brim of his cap does not turn until well after the ball has left and once he gets to the three o’clock position his head as barely rotated an inch two basically the same amount as hogans at the same position…tiger and rory for instance stay over it for longer
leaving his head over the ball too long an interesting one, i’d like to hear your thoughts on this as i hear a lot of people these days talking about the old wives tale of not lifting the head but when i used your software to analyze this in the top ball strikers i notice they all keep their head over the ball at contact and well after, nearly all of the people i looked at still had their eyes on the ball until the club had moved to 3 or 4 o’clock from front on, including tiger and hogan
just love this guys swing, dont like him as a person though. he hits it so straight, i would sacrifice my length off the tee to be able to hit it as a straight or close to it
Nick Faldo gets a salute from Hi King.
Boring
As for your original point, you’re absolutely right, of course. The flexibility and “snap” just aren’t quite what they were, although he can still play. His short game, particularly his putting, was just miserable during his last few years of full-time competition. It sucks, because I really miss seeing his genius out there.
As for his length, I think it was related simply to the fact that Faldo is a big dude, a first-class athlete (you may have seen that thing in Golf Digest where they measured his aerobic capacity), and had the typical great player’s ability to get the sweet spot on the ball, not that length was ever his primary aim.
my assessment it perfectly accurate because that’s exactly what Faldo said in his own book. I think you’re right too. Going back to first principles, the Faldo shown here, isn’t the same dynamic Faldo of the early 90s. Which was really my point from the start.
I’m not saying he swung at it extra-hard or wasn’t oriented toward control before Lead; I’m saying he was one of the longer players on the Eurotour before he dialed it down a bit. Els, for instance, also learned that “easier leads to better contact” thing, and he was notably long as well. Snead, too. And so forth. I’m not sure, but it seems you’re attributing a false equivalency to me between length and coming out of one’s shoes to get it.
I’m not saying he swung at it extra-hard or wasn’t oriented toward control before Lead; I’m saying he was one of the longer players on the Eurotour before he dialed it down a bit. Els, for instance, also learned that “easier leads to better contact” thing, and he was notably long as well. Snead, too. And so forth. I’m not sure, but it seems you’re attributing a false equivalency to me between length and coming out of one’s shoes to get it.
he was taught by his first coach (Ian Connelly from Welwyn Garden City) that ‘the easier you swing it, the better you’ll hit it’. So really, control was instilled into Faldo from day one.
A lot of people don’t have any idea that before he worked with Leadbetter, he had been one of the _longest_ players on the Eurotour. During his retooling, he consciously decided to back down on the power a bit, reasoning that if he could hit it closer with a 5-iron than he could with a 7 or 8, that was what championship golf was about anyway. Let the other guys knock themselves out trying to win the ooh-and-aah competition with the crowd.
V1 Pro
Hey great analysis! Which program you used??
search for ‘Nick Faldo & David Leadbetter’ on YouTube. You’ll find in that video, Faldo’s swing is far more powerful.
@thisisboringnow absolutely right. He ripped it in his prime. Who on tour, at 45 years old, rips it as long as the young guys?
You can’t compare a guy over 40 with young bucks aged 20. Obviously age makes everything deteriorate. Faldo had a far more dynamic and powerful swing in his prime. Even Tiger Woods has lost distance (and accuracy) compared to ten years ago. Age is an ever present force.
i didnt know that rich beem won the 92… lol
Its a shame Wayne didn’t look at some of those swings of which there are some on youtube. No question between 88-92 his swing was far better. More flexibility, lag and speed. He was 45 when this vid was shot.
私の理想とするスイングです。
If you look at a Faldo 1990 swing, he is far more powerful and dynamic. Maybe he did become a little over mechanical
I think his commentary is quite good, it’s amusing and insightful. Sure, he wasn’t the longest-but you analyse him way past his peak and he deliberately focused on accuracy at the cost of distance
Damned shame with his size he could not learn to be a big hitter. I am 58 but I can still hit the ball out there with some pretty good players. Like you said he was a great champion but when I was introduced to golf at age ten, we weren’t told to hold back anything, kind of like a Bubba Watson or Jack Nicklaus type attitude.
Nicklaus as well. Or did you mention him and I missed it? He and Grout were adamant about it.
actually after closer inspection nicks head movement is almost identical to all those players i just mentioned……wayne i think you may have just had your very own johnny miller moment 😛
and by eyes still on the ball, i obviously mean still basically looking at the spot the ball was sitting in at address, even in your anthony kim analysis as you say his head turns right has he hits the ball, it does not. the brim of his cap does not turn until well after the ball has left and once he gets to the three o’clock position his head as barely rotated an inch two basically the same amount as hogans at the same position…tiger and rory for instance stay over it for longer
leaving his head over the ball too long an interesting one, i’d like to hear your thoughts on this as i hear a lot of people these days talking about the old wives tale of not lifting the head but when i used your software to analyze this in the top ball strikers i notice they all keep their head over the ball at contact and well after, nearly all of the people i looked at still had their eyes on the ball until the club had moved to 3 or 4 o’clock from front on, including tiger and hogan
just love this guys swing, dont like him as a person though. he hits it so straight, i would sacrifice my length off the tee to be able to hit it as a straight or close to it
Nick Faldo gets a salute from Hi King.
Boring
As for your original point, you’re absolutely right, of course. The flexibility and “snap” just aren’t quite what they were, although he can still play. His short game, particularly his putting, was just miserable during his last few years of full-time competition. It sucks, because I really miss seeing his genius out there.
As for his length, I think it was related simply to the fact that Faldo is a big dude, a first-class athlete (you may have seen that thing in Golf Digest where they measured his aerobic capacity), and had the typical great player’s ability to get the sweet spot on the ball, not that length was ever his primary aim.
my assessment it perfectly accurate because that’s exactly what Faldo said in his own book. I think you’re right too. Going back to first principles, the Faldo shown here, isn’t the same dynamic Faldo of the early 90s. Which was really my point from the start.
I’m not saying he swung at it extra-hard or wasn’t oriented toward control before Lead; I’m saying he was one of the longer players on the Eurotour before he dialed it down a bit. Els, for instance, also learned that “easier leads to better contact” thing, and he was notably long as well. Snead, too. And so forth. I’m not sure, but it seems you’re attributing a false equivalency to me between length and coming out of one’s shoes to get it.
I’m not saying he swung at it extra-hard or wasn’t oriented toward control before Lead; I’m saying he was one of the longer players on the Eurotour before he dialed it down a bit. Els, for instance, also learned that “easier leads to better contact” thing, and he was notably long as well. Snead, too. And so forth. I’m not sure, but it seems you’re attributing a false equivalency to me between length and coming out of one’s shoes to get it.
he was taught by his first coach (Ian Connelly from Welwyn Garden City) that ‘the easier you swing it, the better you’ll hit it’. So really, control was instilled into Faldo from day one.
A lot of people don’t have any idea that before he worked with Leadbetter, he had been one of the _longest_ players on the Eurotour. During his retooling, he consciously decided to back down on the power a bit, reasoning that if he could hit it closer with a 5-iron than he could with a 7 or 8, that was what championship golf was about anyway. Let the other guys knock themselves out trying to win the ooh-and-aah competition with the crowd.
V1 Pro
Hey great analysis! Which program you used??
search for ‘Nick Faldo & David Leadbetter’ on YouTube. You’ll find in that video, Faldo’s swing is far more powerful.
@thisisboringnow absolutely right. He ripped it in his prime. Who on tour, at 45 years old, rips it as long as the young guys?
You can’t compare a guy over 40 with young bucks aged 20. Obviously age makes everything deteriorate. Faldo had a far more dynamic and powerful swing in his prime. Even Tiger Woods has lost distance (and accuracy) compared to ten years ago. Age is an ever present force.
i didnt know that rich beem won the 92… lol
Its a shame Wayne didn’t look at some of those swings of which there are some on youtube. No question between 88-92 his swing was far better. More flexibility, lag and speed. He was 45 when this vid was shot.
私の理想とするスイングです。
If you look at a Faldo 1990 swing, he is far more powerful and dynamic. Maybe he did become a little over mechanical
I think his commentary is quite good, it’s amusing and insightful. Sure, he wasn’t the longest-but you analyse him way past his peak and he deliberately focused on accuracy at the cost of distance